EB2 to EB3 Downgrade Process, Risks (Fast Green Card)

Indian EB2 vs EB3 green card priority date movement. Date of filing chart may be available for use in 2021. File i485, EB2 to EB3 downgrade with approved i140.

Am22tech
  By Am22tech    Updated  9 Nov, 20


Update Nov 1, 2020: USCIS has started sending receipts notices for i-485 applications filed on Oct 2, 2020, as shared by one of the member of our group:

Oct 2020 visa-bulletin filing receipts

Is USCIS rejecting EB2 to EB3 Downgrades?

We have heard from credible sources and AILA (American immigration lawyers association) has also confirmed that USCIS has sent the EB2 to EB3 applications back in some cases where the original EB2 PERM was not attached to the EB3 downgrade application.

This is one such rejection notice shared by one of our guest users. The attorney has marked it as ‘erroneous rejection’ and has requested USCIS junior officer to show it to their supervisor and get their review.

EB3 i-140 downgrade rejection notice by USCIS

Several attorneys have emailed their clients and employers to be aware of the risk that this possesses even though it can be challenged in court if USCIS refuses the application simply because it was not filed as EB2 i140 amendment.

This is the standard approach that has been used by lawyers since 2007 for Chinese EB2 to EB3 downgrades and it’s not a new process at all.

Risks & Disadvantages:

If USCIS changes its long-standing interpretation of immigration policy, USCIS could reject the I-140 and AOS filings. USCIS could also accept the filing and deny the I-140 and AOS, which would result in the loss of all the filing fees.

What Should I do?

File EB2 i140 amendment or EB3 i140 downgrade? Our suggestions:

  • File EB2 to EB3 Downgrade (Recommended): Many people are still filing the new EB3 i140 using EB2 PERM.
  • EB2 Amendment to get EB3 i140: Note that if you file an EB2 i-140 amendment, then you will need to redo the whole EB2 i140 process in the future if you want to go back. It’s basically useless as the EB2 and EB3 dates are bound to keep chasing each other.

Chance of EB3 Dates Moving Forward

The chances are good that the dates for India EB2 (FA) will keep moving forward from Oct 2020 to Sep 2021 due to the spillover from family-based green cards.

Since the adjustment of GC numbers happens horizontally within EB1, EB2, and EB3 every month, you can expect:

  • EB2 ‘final action’ and ‘date of filing’ to move forward and EB3 dates to retrogress every month from Nov 2020 onwards.
  • Many employers may not file the EB2 to EB3 downgrade immediately as it comes with a high cost of around $5-8k per family of 3 (including attorney fee) as the dates might move back next month.

Should I downgrade (Check using App)?

Here is our app to help you decide if you should do the EB2 to EB3 downgrade or not. It is still new and will improve over time as we make changes continuously.



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Here is the i485 filing checklist for employment based green card.

EB2 to EB3 Downgrade Process

Your current employer with approved I-140 (from EB-2) with a priority date that is current in EB-3, can downgrade your case using the same EB2 PERM and file a new I140 with the EB3 category.

There is no need to file a new PERM for downgrading from EB2 to EB3. EB2 PERM can be used for EB3 downgrade.

Check if your PERM expired without filing i140 here or not.

You can also file your I-485 application to adjust status concurrently with this new EB3 I-140.

Same vs New Employer – EB2 to EB3 Downgrade

EB2 to EB3 Downgrade – If EB2 date is current in EB3

#1 Same Employer

No change in the job position

1. Use EB2 PERM. No new PERM required.
2. File new EB3 i-140 in premium.
3. File i-485 concurrently with i-140.

#2 Different or Same Employer
Including Amended i-140 after merger/acquisition, amended i-140 after merger/acquisition, Promotion, or job detail change

1. New EB2 or EB3 PERM required with the current employer.
2. File new EB3 i140. Porting GC date from old i140 allowed.
3. File i485 concurrently with i140.
4. Supplement J required.

Immigration Attorney Advice for EB2 to EB3

You can hear immigration Rahul Reddy and Ryan Wilck discuss the EB2 to EB3 downgrade options, risks, and benefits.


Is New PERM Required?

New PERM is not required unless you got promoted or moved out of state and want to file i485 using this new location and job position.

You can go back to work with the old job position at the old job location mentioned in PERM to file i485.

This is a much better option as it saves you from the hassle of filing new PERM. Go back to the old location, work there for 6 months after getting a Green card, and then you should be good to move on.

Premium Processing for Downgrade

You cannot file EB2 to EB3 downgrade I-140 in premium processing because the original PERM labor certificate won’t be filed with new EB3 i140.

USCIS already has the original EB2 PERM in your EB-2 I-140 file.

USCIS does not allow premium processing when there is no original PERM approval attached to the i140 application.

What houston based attorney Rahul Reddy suggests:

  1. File EB3 i-140, i-485 along with EB-2 PERM in regular processing.
  2. Wait for the receipt number for EB3 i-140.
  3. Once you get the receipt number, upgrade to i-140 premium processing.
  4. This helps avoid the situation in which USCIS might return all applications if they are not ready to allow i-140 premium processing.

EB3 Downgrade premium exception:

  • If your i140 EB3 downgrade is filed at the SAME service center that earlier approved your i140, then your application is eligible for PREMIUM processing.
  • The premium processing time for EB3 i140 also does not start immediately. The USCIS will first find PERM and then confirm the premium processing time start date.

Your employer can attach a copy of the original EB2 PERM with a request that the original be fetched from the previous PERM file.

i140 Processing Time

How Long Does it take to downgrade EB2 to EB3? The EB3 downgrade i140 approval processing is taking 6+ months.

Check current current i140 processing time.

Benefits of EB2 to EB3 Downgrade

As per my opinion and the Indians I spoke to, consider this EB3 date of filing chart as an insurance policy.

Just think of applying this downgrade as paying a premium for what I call ‘visa insurance’!

Most employers will ask you to pay for it and that is perfectly fine. My personal suggestion is to just pay it.

If you are currently in the EB2 queue and decide to file the EB3 downgrade and then i-485, you may get these additional benefits as a back up to your H-1B visa:

  1. i-485 EAD – an open work permit. You can use it to keep staying in the US if you lose your H1B job in case of lay off. No need to worry about the 60 day grace period.
  2. H4 Spouse can work: H4 dependent spouse can work using i-485 EAD even if DHS revokes the H4 EAD work authorization.
  3. H1B Visa Stamping Voes: You can avoid visa stamping at the US embassy as and when you travel by using your Advance parole to enter the USA instead of an H1B visa. You can then convert back to H1B (if you want) within the US.
  4. IRS Child Tax Credit – Your H4 or L2 dependent child can get a child tax credit up to $2000.

Risks of EB2 to EB3 Downgrade

The only primary benefit of doing an EB2 to EB3 downgrade is to get the status of pending i-485.

This pending i-485 status gives you access to i-485 EAD and an advance parole.

As I said above, consider this only as an insurance policy as you may never use the EAD and AP as long as you want to keep your options open for going back to EB2 queue.

What most attorneys suggest is that you downgrade and then keep both EB2 and EB3 i140 in hand.

Our suggestion is to not use EB3 EAD or AP unless it is absolutely required.

#1 Using EAD Means Abandoning H1B/L Status

Once you start using EB3 EAD after downgrade, you lose your H1B/L status as your I-9 form now shows the work authorization as EAD.

#2 Going Back to H1B/L status After Using EAD

Once you use EAD/AP, then going back to the H1B/L status is not easy.

  • You cannot file a simple change of status from i485 EAD to H1B while staying in the US.
  • You would need to go out of the US and apply for H1B/L visa at embassy. There will be many questions raised with respect to your ‘intent’ and there are high chances of denial.

#3 Interfile EB2 i140 if EB2 gets current earlier than EB3

  • To file the i-485 in EB2 if the date gets current earlier than EB3, you will not be able to prove any underlying status which actually means any H1B or L visa status if you have already started using EAD.
  • If you are still on H1B and the EB2 date gets current, you can use the concept of ‘interfiling’ to replace the EB3 i140 with EB2 i140 and get i-485 approval.

#4 H4 child Age out protection

The CSPA law provides H4 child age-out protection if i-485 has been filed before the age of 21.

This is currently allowed only if your i-485 has been filed using the ‘Final Action‘ dates as explained by attorney Cyrus Mehta.

If you are filing i-485 using the DOF chart now, you may not be eligible for CSPA. It is possible that USCIS changes the rules to include the DOF chart in the future but there is no guarantee.

Check your child’s age protection if you file EB2 to EB3 downgrade using an app here.

FAQ

I Upgraded EB3 to EB2, Can I Downgrade to EB3 again?

If you had approved EB3 i140 earlier with employer A and then upgraded to EB2 with a new employer B.

Now, if the employer A still has the EB-3 position and has not withdrawn the approved I-140, you can file your I485 with supplement J signed by the EB-3 employer A without filing a new I-140 and convert to EB3.

Can I file EB2 to EB3 downgrade myself if the employer is not ready to file?

You cannot file EB2 to EB3 downgrade yourself. The US employer needs to provide you with an EB3 i140 application.

i-140 is an employer-sponsored application and cannot be filed by an individual.

Can I Downgrade EB2 to EB3 and then Upgrade to EB2 later?

Your EB2-India priority date is 17 June 2010. Assuming, EB3 moves at a faster rate than EB2 India, you downgrade from EB2 to EB3 and file i485 along with 140.

Now, in the future EB2 India moves faster than EB3 India and you have approved 140 and EAD from EB3.

Yes, you can go back and use previously approved 140 (EB2) to file i485 to get GC faster if both EB2 i140 and EB3 i140 are valid.

Murthy.com has explained this concept of Interfiling or changing the underlying I140 for pending I485 application.

File EB2 to EB3 Downgrade for Future Priority dates?

It is possible that some of you want to downgrade your EB2 to EB3 even though your priority date is still not current in the EB3 filing date chart.

Downgrading in advance to be ready to file i485 as you expect EB3 to be current for you in the next couple of months is a daring step.

It is not really required as you can file both EB3 i140 downgrade and i485 adjustment of status concurrently.

You are not out of the game if EB3 becomes current for you.

So, don’t worry.

Can I file EB3 to EB3 downgrade from India?

You can file EB2 to EB3 i140 downgrade while you are in India.

You cannot file the immigrant visa or i-485 from outside the USA though.

Many people are currently stuck outside the USA due to the travel ban.

You can file an immigrant visa application using form DS-260 with the US embassy only if your priority date has become current in the ‘Final action’ chart.

My company was acquired and amended i140 has been approved. Can it be used to file EB2 to EB3 downgrade?

You can file EB2 to EB3 downgrade using and amended i140 approval.

Will My EB2 i140 be lost if I downgrade to EB3 i-140?

Your EB2 i-140 is not lost even if you get EB3 i-140 approval.

You get the benefit of keeping both handy and use whichever date gets current first in the ‘Final action’ chart.

What if EB3 downgrade is denied?

You will still keep your EB2 approved i140 even if your Eb3 i140 is denied. There is no need to worry.

USCIS does not cancel or revoke your EB2 i-140 just because EB3 i-140 was denied.

Can I pay for filing EB2 to EB3 downgrade and i485 filing?

You can legally pay the cost of filing EB2 to EB3 downgrade from your pocket as confirmed by Ellisporter immigration attorneys.

This includes both the USCIS application and attorney fees.

Your employer can ask you to pay for this cost and it is legal.

When will I get My green card After EB2 to EB3 Downgrade?

The EB2 to EB3 downgrade does not guarantee a green card immediately.

Your green card application can only be approved if the date gets current in ‘Final Action’ chart.

Indian EB2 vs EB3 – i485 Pending Applications

The GC availability in Indian EB3 seems to have a better chance at this time when compared with Indian EB2 based on the July 2018 USCIS pending i485 data.

IndiaEB2EB3
200822741
200910,83151
2010 (Jan – Apr)4,677 (Jan-Apr)0
2011 – 201800

Compare almost 11k EB2 India already waiting for getting GC with EB3’s less than 100 numbers.

This clearly indicates that EB3 is going to take a far long jump in the new 2018-19 USCIS GC priority date season as has been indicated by the current trend.




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Am22tech
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Recent discussion on forum

  1. waiting12
    waiting12

    Hi Anil,
    My EB2 PD is 1/18/2010, I see that EB3 Date of Filing is current for my PD, I am thinking to downgrade from EB2 to EB3 however given the current trends I am not sure if EB3 FA date becomes current for me or EB2.
    In your opinion, Do you think EB3 or EB3 moves faster coming months? Is it a good idea to downgrade now?


  2. anil_am22
    anil_am22

    Hi @waiting12

    My suggestion is to wait till your date gets current in final action date chart in either EB2 or EB3.


  3. divideby7
    divideby7

    Hey @Anil.Gupta I have a EB2 PP of May 10th 2010. I would like to know if you think I should downgrade to EB3 and apply, Then later do an interfiling back to EB2 is GC Final Action Dates move. Though i feed FA for EB3 might move earlier than EB2. I wanted to check do you think EB3 Filing Dates will move past EB2 May 1st 2010 dates. Since that will trigger a tsunami of downgrades from EB2 to get EAD atleast


  4. Rajul_Doriwala
    Rajul_Doriwala

    Anil, in your article, you have mentioned in the beginning,m that it is better to wait for downgrade, until EB2 PD is current on EB3 “Approval” chart… but in rest of the article, you have advised to go ahead if EB2 PD is current in EB3 “filing” chart… can you check?


  5. Sankalp_Balachandran
    Sankalp_Balachandran

    Dear Anil,
    I have 2 EB2 approved I-140 both with same PD. One is from Employer and other is via NIW category. How/what can be done to port the NIW EB2 to EB3, as the Filing Dates are 2015 for EB3 now. Is there any hassle or will it get easily ported based on my current EB2 NIW of January 10, 2012 ?


  6. karthik_reddy
    karthik_reddy

    Hi Anil,
    In the below article you mentioned we need to file perm even if we are working for the same employer in Merge scenario - amended i-140 after merger/acquisition.
    I read somewhere, perm not required if it is the successor of interest(only i140 amendment is required)

    So when we downgrade from EB2 to EB3 no need for perm right? Can you please confirm?

    Can I file 485 under EB3 if EB2 is approved, but only EB3 is current? - YouTube.


  7. sravikanti23
    sravikanti23

    Anil,

    My PD date is on Feb 29th 2016.
    My understanding many people of EB2 who fall in the current date of EB3 will downgrade to EB3 to leverage the benefit.

    If maximum people shifts from EB2 to EB3, will there be a chance for EB2 to jump from May 2011 by 5 years in coming months ?

    Could you explain how it works?

    Thanks and Regards
    -SR


  8. Anjaly1
    Anjaly1

    Hi Anil,
    I have an approved I 140 from EB2 category. Can I file for another I140 using the existing PERM in EB 3 category? Is there any risk to my EB2 I140? Because I want to maintain both. Please advice.
    Thanks.


  9. Ram001
    Ram001

    You should have a valid non immigrant visa to file adjustment of status I-485 and EAD from the US.
    When you are in India you can file I-485 only with consular processing where you will not get the benefit of applying for EAD when your I-485 is pending.
    These are just my thoughts. Please check with immigration lawyer to get more info based on your case.


  10. favcker1
    favcker1

    Thank you! This helps. Waiting for travel ban to be over


  11. Rajamahender_Reddy_K
    Rajamahender_Reddy_K

    Hello Anil,

    My EB2 PD is May, 2012. Currently spouse has an EAD though we don’t use it much. If I downgrade to EB3 now and filing I-485, got EAD for both myself and spouse, but I am keeping my EAD aside continuing in H1B status, can my H4 spouse use the EAD from pending I-485? or do I have to apply for her H4 EAD every time with H4 renewal. Given the poor response timings for H4 approvals don’t want to rely on H4 EAD, but at the same time don’t want to risk primary H1B because of spouse using EAD. Can you please explain how this works?

    Thanks.


  12. immiravs
    immiravs

    Based on my experience being in the same boat 5 years ago, you need to start a new PERM process and file for I-140 and retain the previous PD.


  13. gousagc
    gousagc

    Hello Folks,

    I have EB2 priority date SEP-2011 with employer A. Now I’m working for employer B, who is yet to start GC process, I feel it will take 9-12 months to start the process and after that another 8-12 months for PERM approval. So

    1. Is it GOOD to downgrade from EB2 to EB3 with employer A & file I140 & I485 together as future employment?
    2. If I downgrade from EB2 to EB3, will my EB2 I140 still valid?
    3. While Pending downgraded EB3 AOS application, will employer B can start PERM & I140 in EB2 and by that time EB2 dates are current, can employer B file I485?

    Appreciate your responses.


  14. anu_red
    anu_red

    Hello Anil,

    I have transferred from Employer A H1B until 2020 feb to Employer B and H1b is approved for 3 years, I have I 140 beyond 180 days with PD of June 2012 EB - 2. I have following questions:

    1. If Priority date becomes current under EB 2, can I go back to Employer A ? And does Employer A need to apply for H1B as my H1B approved with them was only until Feb 2020.

    2. I’m aware that Employer B can file green card using previous I 140, should he start from scratch applying labour, PERM and all ?

    Appreciate your response!

    Thanks,
    Anu


  15. zoomingrocket
    zoomingrocket

    My lawyer is suggesting that in a departure from USCIS practice, we no longer can have both EB2 & EB3 i-140 alive, is this true??

    Quote
    “In a departure from prior practice, USCIS now requires that the EB2 petition be amended to EB3 in order to downgrade. This means that, upon approval of the EB3 request, you will not have an EB2 I-140 approval to which you could return (if, for example, the EB2 and EB3 dates flip and EB2 becomes more favorable) unless you file yet another I 140 amendment to upgrade from EB3 back to EB2 (with the attendant risks and costs described above)”

    Need confirmation on this, thanks!


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