ACS Work Experience 2, 4 or 6 year Deduction Calculation

ACS work experience 'After month' date means the day in same month can be used as start date in Australia EOI, not the next month. 2 or 4 yrs deducted.

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ACS assessment is required for Australia PR using 189, 190 visa. ACS is Australia Computer Society and is the official agency for assessing the 2613 category job codes for permanent residency application.

ACS assesses your education to match your degrees with Australia’s educational system and provide a certificate to claim ICT major or Minor status including your work experience.

A positive ACS assessment is required to claim education, work and spouse points on Australia PR application.

ACS 2, 4 or 6 year Deduction

ACS deducts minimum 2 years and maximum 6 years from your total work experience. 2 years are reduced from all candidate’s work experience as ACS considers initial 2 years as training period.

The number of years that will be deducted depends on how closely your education matches with your job profile.

Example: 

#1 B.E in computer science, ANZSCO code 261313

If you have done Bachelor or Engineering in Computer science and apply for ACS assessment with code 261313 as software engineer, you will see a deduction of 2 years.

The B.E. in computer science is considered ICT major because of its course subjects giving software training which matches with job code 261313. 

#2 B.E. in Electrical and Electronics, ANZSCO code 261313

If you completed your education as Bachelor of Electrical and Electronics and are now working in I.T sector as software developer, you will see 4 years deduction from your total work experience.

The B.E. in Electronics is not considered an ICT major as it does not have the software training subjects a major. 

ACS ‘AFTER’ Start Date

Your work experience is marked as relevant from a specific month and year in ACS report.

Check this sample ACS assessment report for an example:

The most important date is ‘AFTER month‘ that’s mentioned on the second line.

Since, they have only specified the month and not specific date, the biggest confusion is over what date to use in Australia SkillSelect EOI (Expression of Interest).

The official ACS guidance is that you can use the start DAY in EOI as the day of the date you filed your ACS application.

Example, in the sample ACS report, AFTER April 2010 is the start month for relevant work experience and this application was filed on 3 April 2018.

You can use the start DATE while filing EOI as 3rd April 2010.

Lot of forums and people might ask you to use the next month’s first day as start date due to the word ‘AFTER April 2010′. But, this is NOT true.

Not sure why ACS does not clearly write the full date in their letter to avoid any confusions. That’s how it is and we can’t change it.

Relevant Work Experience Calculation

  • ACS deducts 2 years from your last 10 years work experience OR
  • ACS deducts 4 years from your TOTAL work experience.

This deduction criteria is in addition to the one mentioned earlier based on education degree.

In sample report above, person has 11 years 6 months relevant work experience starting from June 2006.

Assuming degree is considered as ICT Major and relevant to your nominated occupation, these rules will apply:

ACS will deduct 2 years from last 10 years or 4 years from total experience, whichever gives you EARLIER ‘AFTER START DATE

  • If 2 years from last 10 years are deducted (Go back 10 years from 3 April 2018, you get 3 April 2008), then add 2 years as a deduction to reach at 3 April 2010 – Called as Skill Applicability date.
  • If 4 years from total experience are deducted, this date would come out as JUNE 2010. How? Count the relevant years from ACS report starting June 2006, you reach June 2010.

The second option results in an earlier ‘AFTER DATE’ for your work experience, and hence ACS will award you April 2010 date.




Recent discussion on forum

  1. HSS
    HSS

    Hi,

    I am very confused with my case. I am sure this might confuse you too. So here it is:

    Employment History : Full Time job from March 2003 till today

    Education History is as below:
    Graduation : (Correspondence) B.A. Hons Economics - completed in Nov 2009
    PG: (Correspondence) Msc(IT) - completed in Jan 2012

    I am interested to apply for 263111: Computer Network and Systems Engineer

    All my experience from March 2003 till today is at least 70 to 80% related to the above job code. I also have done some certifications like PMP, Cloud computing foundation, MCSE, MCDBA and CCNA(expired).

    I have total of 16 years of experience. How many years will get deducted in my ACS assessment in my case.

    Thanks
    HS


  2. Arnab_Chakraborty
    Arnab_Chakraborty

    Hi ,
    I have a current experience of over 8 Years, working on Networking Domain. My query is will my experience be deducted by 2 making it 6 which falls on 5-7 work experience and will be awarded 10 points?


  3. manisha_g
    manisha_g

    Hi Anil,

    I got my ACS assessment result today and need to know whether I have 8 years of experience according to the result. Also, I have 4 months of gap between my third and fourth employment and a total of 2.7 years have been deducted. I’ve read your blog and understand that as I had 10 years of experience they’ve considered from 2011 but my queries are:

    Does the start date take account of the gap of 4 months that I have?
    which date should be considered while calculating points? 12th June 2011 according to the letter or should sum up the years and months in bracket after 12th June 2011 and calculate the points accordingly?


  4. Nevin
    Nevin

    Then when we needed that


  5. Anil.Gupta
    Anil.Gupta

    Hi @prem_stephen

    The ACS will consider the date you submit the letter or the letter issuance date as the ‘to date’ for the Employment.


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  148 Useful Questions & Answers

  1. Soni Rai
    Soni Rai 4 Jun, 19 at 11:42 pm

    Hi, want to get acs skil assessment for spouse points, i have engineering degree in electronics and the 4 years experience as testing engineer in IT, after that I did MBA and now working as business analyst for last three years in an IT company. Kindly help me will i get positive assessment as my degree and both work experience are no matching. And should I apply as test engineer or as per my current role business analyst.


  2. vasanth rajendran
    vasanth rajendran 15 May, 19 at 8:59 pm

    Hi anil,

    Asking this question for my friend. He is an ICT-major with following working experience.

    Company 1 – June 1st 2007 to Oct 20th 2012.

    After that he is on break, How many years for work experience will be considered in this case?


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 15 May, 19 at 9:07 pm

      Deduct 2 years from last 10 years counting back from today.


      • vasanth rajendran
        vasanth rajendran 15 May, 19 at 9:23 pm

        so June 1st 2007 to may 15th 2009 doesn’t count?


  3. Ragini gupta
    Ragini gupta 21 Apr, 19 at 10:33 pm

    Hi Anil,
    Thanks for help.
    Per above rule of deducting 4 years from total experience, my work experience comes as 7 years, 8 months. If I go for a skill assessment and later file EOI, I would get 10 points for work experience. How I will be to update work experience to 8+ after 4 months in the EOI portal, so that my points increase to 15 or points calculated while filing EOI are final?


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 21 Apr, 19 at 10:59 pm

      You can leave your current employment date blank while filing Australia EOI.
      Then, EOI will update itself automatically to give you extra points as and when your experience reaches next level.


      • Ragini gupta
        Ragini gupta 21 Apr, 19 at 10:59 pm

        Thank you so much for help


  4. Devinda De Zoysa
    Devinda De Zoysa 31 Mar, 19 at 12:55 am

    Hi Anil, I still can’t figure out how the calculation works. My ACS assessment considers employment after June 2014 as skilled experience. I filed for ACS assessment on 18th January 2019. When filing the EOI,which Start date I should mention?


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 31 Mar, 19 at 1:34 pm

      If you are not sure, then use 1st July 2014 as start date.


  5. Manwant Gill
    Manwant Gill 28 Mar, 19 at 10:43 am

    Hi Anil,

    Actually wanted to know that what documents they require for work Experience for ACS ?


  6. Cheek
    Cheek 25 Mar, 19 at 8:32 am

    Hi Anil

    Please help me if you can.(you definitely can).

    I have Total of 10 Years 3 months experience as software engineer(web developer). from 01/November/2007 to 15/Mar/2019 in 5 different companies.

    I started my 3 year diploma in computer science(Govt. recognised) on 2005. (2004-2007). Because of pending papers, I got the certificate only on April 2011.

    Last exam Date – December 2010
    Date of announcement of result – March 2011
    Seal Date – April 2011

    What date will be my skill assessment Met Date?


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 25 Mar, 19 at 9:41 am

      I cannot give detailed analysis with dates. You should do the calculation yourself based on above article.

      If you want detailed analysis, you should opt for private consultation and i can look into your education documents and suggest the dates.
      Let me know if you are interested.


      • Cheek
        Cheek 25 Mar, 19 at 11:25 am

        Please privide your email address for later communications.

        I am sorry for asking the exact date. i just wanted to know whether course completed date or ceriltificate awarded date is considered for skill assessment


  7. Rushil Sharma
    Rushil Sharma 21 Mar, 19 at 4:24 am

    assuming one has no prior work experience and completes masters in IT in australia, following with a professional year, does that leads to positive skills assesment?


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 21 Mar, 19 at 7:29 pm

      ACS requires minimum 2 years of work experience to give positive assessment.


      • Rushil Sharma
        Rushil Sharma 25 Mar, 19 at 7:10 am

        but the information mentioned in the guideline is contradicting.

        1)It mentions that either we should be working for a year or should complete a professional year program.
        2)If you degree is assessed as AQF bachelors or higher with ICT major, you need 2 years of work experience.


        • Anil Gupta
          Anil Gupta 25 Mar, 19 at 9:41 am

          Not sure why are you asking question if you already know the answer.

          I answered earlier based on general ACS guideline as I do not know about your degree and its evaluation result.


  8. Awadh
    Awadh 12 Mar, 19 at 1:14 pm

    Dear Anil
    Hope you can help me, how many of experience year can I get based on ACS calculation (after deduction).
    I am applying for ANZSCO 263111: Computer Network and Systems Engineer.
    I have:
    B.Sc in Computer Engineering, Oct 1997-June 2001
    M.Sc of Information Technology, Mar 2004- July 2008 (by research)
    Ph.D in Wireless Communication Engineering, July 2008- Sept 2013

    Company 1: 10/07/2001 to 31/12/2002 (IT technical support)
    Company 1: 01/01/2003 to 28/02/2004 (promoted to Network and System Engineer)
    Unpaid leave: 01/03/2004 to 15/11/2006.
    Company 1: 16/11/2006 to 30/06/2008 (Network and System Engineer)
    Unpaid leave: 01/07/2008 to 16/12/2010.
    Company 1: 17/12/2010 to 28/02/2019 (Senior Network and System Engineer)
    Please advise.
    Thanks a lot for your effort


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 12 Mar, 19 at 1:31 pm

      Add up all months excluding the gap periods.
      The, deduct 2 years from total and you should be able to reach the work experience years that ACS will calculate.

      Count the full weeks you have worked. ACS goes by the working weeks where you have completed full 40 hours working.

      Any gaps of work are simply not counted.


      • Awadh
        Awadh 12 Mar, 19 at 1:52 pm

        Thanks a lot for your quick reply.
        I have calculated all the months after excluding the gap periods, they are almost equal to 147 months = 12 years and 3 months.
        Number of working hours per week are 45 hours.
        So if they will deduct 2 years from total, it will be 12 – 2 = 10 years that I claim, Am i correct?
        once again thanks a lot.


        • Anil Gupta
          Anil Gupta 12 Mar, 19 at 3:54 pm

          They will either deduct 2 years from the last 10 years or 4 years from the total depending on which one give you more ‘relevant’ experience.


          • Awadh
            Awadh 12 Mar, 19 at 10:38 pm

            Thanks


  9. Awadh
    Awadh 12 Mar, 19 at 1:13 pm

    Dear Anil
    Hope you can help me, how many of experience year can I get based on ACS calculation (after deduction).
    I am applying for ANZSCO 263111: Computer Network and Systems Engineer.
    I have:
    B.Sc in Computer Engineering, Oct 1997-June 2001
    M.Sc of Information Technology, Mar 2004- July 2008 (by research)
    Ph.D in Wireless Communication Engineering, July 200- Sept 2013

    Company 1: 10/07/2001 to 31/12/2002 (IT technical support)
    Company 1: 01/01/2003 to 28/02/2004 (promoted to Network and System Engineer)
    Unpaid leave: 01/03/2004 to 15/11/2006.
    Company 1: 16/11/2006 to 30/06/2008 (Network and System Engineer)
    Unpaid leave: 01/07/2008 to 16/12/2010.
    Company 1: 17/11/2006 to 28/02/2019 (Senior Network and System Engineer)
    Please advise.
    Thanks a lot for your efforts


  10. Shahida Syed
    Shahida Syed 12 Mar, 19 at 2:03 am

    Hi Anil, I have around 14 year of experience and I have worked in 9 companies. I have all relevant document. But do not have in the format which you have mentioned. So is it necessary to get the experience in format specified for all the companies, more over in some office the leads with whom I have worked,are currently left working. Can I get the documents signed from them?


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 12 Mar, 19 at 11:18 am

      Your question is out of scope of this article. I have added your question on our forum here and answered there too.

      You can ask your follow up question there itself.


  11. Smith Dsouza
    Smith Dsouza 9 Mar, 19 at 9:23 am

    Hi Anil,

    I am working as an Associate Project Manager for the last 5+ years. However, I have a bachelor’s degree in Electronics and Telecommunications. I have a positive EA assessment for engineering and I have submitted my EOI at 65 points for ‘Telecommunications engineer’. I did so because ACS assessment would deduct years from my experience. My IELTS score is 7.5. How good are my chances and what time frame should I be looking at?
    Suggestions, if any..?
    Thanks,
    Smith


  12. Harish Diyya
    Harish Diyya 6 Mar, 19 at 3:06 am

    Hello Anil,

    Can you please help me calculate my relevant work experience asserted by Engineers Australia

    BTech – Mechanical Engineering
    Pass out – May 2012

    Applying for : Professional Engineer ANZSCO 233512
    Work Ex
    Comp 1: July 2012 – Feb 2016 (Senior Engineer- Mech) (EA Considered experience up to March 2015 but I have all the supporting documents including Tax statements up to Feb 2016 so I am claiming this experience up to Feb 2016 in my EOI)
    Comp 2: Feb 2016 – June 2017 (QC Welding Inspector- UAE) (Accepted by Engineers Australia)
    Comp 3: August 2017 to Nov 2018 (QC Welding Inspector- Oman) (EA did not accept this as my profession on visa is mentioned as Assistant. Welder. But I worked for the company as QC Welding Inspector- Appointment Letter, Reliving letter states the same.)
    Comp 4: March 2019 – till date (Senior Engineer- Inward Inspection) (Skill Assessment not done yet.)

    When updating in EOI I am getting only 5 points in my experience when calculated from 30-July-2012 to 30 June 2017. My experience is a month shorter to claim 10 points in EOI which is delaying the process.

    Do i need to do re assessment with EA again ?

    Please suggest me how to approach in this case as I am having 70 points now. If experience gets considered means I will be having 75 pints in hand. I filed my EOI for 70 points in Dec 2018. Waiting for invite.

    Kindly suggest.


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 6 Mar, 19 at 10:08 am

      Your question is out of scope of this article. This article is for ACS assessment.
      I have created your question on our forum here and answered there too.

      You can ask your follow up question there itself.


  13. Sujay
    Sujay 24 Feb, 19 at 7:52 pm

    Good day Anil,

    Can you please help me with the following query. My wife was working in India with company 1 and now currently with company 2 in Malaysia. Can I do ACS only for company 1? Because her job role for Company 1 will help me get spouse points as we are in the same SOL list. Due to change of role in company 2, we are not in the same list. So I am planning to do ACS only for Company 1 in India. Will that be okay? or Do I need to do ACS for both? Kindly help.

    Also, how do I get ACS done, if I am a contract employee? Will it count as valid work experience? Please help


  14. Ronit Singh
    Ronit Singh 24 Feb, 19 at 12:46 pm

    Hello Anil,

    Can you please help me calculate my relevant work experience asserted by ACS.

    Btech – Computer Science
    Pass out – June 2009

    Applying for : ICT Security Specialist ACS 262112 
    Work Ex
    Comp 1: June 2008 – August 2009 (Information security)
    Comp 2: Nov 2009 – Jan 2014 (Information security)
    Comp 3: Feb 2014 – August 2017 (Information security)
    Comp 4: August 2017 – till date

    How much of my overall experience will be considered as RELEVANT exp?
    And how many points can I get for this work experience?
    And what could be my AFTER month?

    Overall if I consider my total work exp 8+ then I am getting 70 points and if I consider work exp 5+ then I am getting 65. Is it a good score to file application? I’ll turn 33 in June 2019 (another 5 points loss after June 2019).

    I am planning to submit my documents for assessment by end of March 2019.

    Kindly suggest.


    • Ronit Singh
      Ronit Singh 24 Feb, 19 at 12:47 pm

      One more query, could you please share sample employment document?

      Thanks


      • Anil Gupta
        Anil Gupta 24 Feb, 19 at 1:47 pm

        Sample Employment letter for Australia

        Did you complete your education bin June 2008 or June 2009?


        • Ronit Singh
          Ronit Singh 24 Feb, 19 at 3:07 pm

          I completed in June 2009 but started my job in June 2008.


          • Anil Gupta
            Anil Gupta 24 Feb, 19 at 4:07 pm

            Your job experience while you were studying will not be counted.
            Also, ACS will deduct 2 years from other experience. So, kind of total 3 years will be deducted for you.


            • Ronit Singh
              Ronit Singh 24 Feb, 19 at 4:23 pm

              Thanks for confirmation


            • Ronit Singh
              Ronit Singh 24 Feb, 19 at 4:38 pm

              From current employer, is it necessary to get exp letter? I wanted to avoid letting them know about my future plans; what could be way around?


              • Anil Gupta
                Anil Gupta 24 Feb, 19 at 8:21 pm

                If you do not submit current employer’s letter, ACS will simply NOT count current employer’s work experience.
                So, it is important to get it.


  15. Amir
    Amir 24 Feb, 19 at 12:01 pm

    Hi Anil,

    I am bit confused about the experience calculation and points awarded in EOI.

    Like I have 5years of experience( Feb 2014 to current date) so how much I will be able to get for my experience 5 or 10 as I heard that in SKA they deduct first 2years so by reducing 2years from 5years it means I have 3years of experience and I get 5points.

    So do I get 5points of 3years (After 2years deduction in SKA)
    or do I get 10points as my total experience is 5years ???

    I would be really grateful If you could solve this confusion.

    Thanks!


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 24 Feb, 19 at 1:46 pm

      You only get points for the number of years that are assessed as ‘relevant’ by the assessment agency.

      In your example, you will get 5 points as only 3 years have been marked as relevant.


  16. Sujay
    Sujay 19 Feb, 19 at 3:36 am

    Hello Anil. Kindly clarify me on the following:

    Company 1 : 05-Dec-2013 to 04-Jan-2018
    Did ACS on 09-Feb-2017

    Company 2: 04-Feb-2018 to date

    I did ACS when I was working with Company 1. It got expired this year and I have changed company during this period. When I retake ACS assessment, can I reuse Company 1’s documents which I had earlier submitted for ACS and submit new roles for Company 2 alone, which I am currently working?

    Do i need to submit anything extra for Company 1? Kindly clarify


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 19 Feb, 19 at 8:44 am

      You can reuse the company 1’s documents that you had submitted earlier. You will need to submit them again with a new ACS assessment.


      • Sujay
        Sujay 19 Feb, 19 at 7:35 pm

        Thanks a lot Anil for the clarification.


  17. harsh arora
    harsh arora 18 Feb, 19 at 5:22 am

    * Out of this , the initial April 2009- march 2010 they considered as unsuitable and post that they deducted 4 more years and provided me April 2014 after date.
    Sorry for the Typo..in the below query.


  18. Abdul Aziz
    Abdul Aziz 18 Feb, 19 at 9:12 am

    Hello Anil,

    I have bachelors of software engineering.

    graduate 14/09/2009

    Company 1: 01/02/2010 to 30/08/2011 (Software engineer)

    Company 2: 05/09/2011 to 31/07/2018 (technical consultant – Software engineering)

    Company 3: 01/08/2018 to 10/02/2019 (currently job is active) (senior technical consultant – Software engineering)

    Total 9 years experience all in software

    I hired a consultant and he submitted to ACS today.

    Considering they deduct 2 years of experience, I will get 7 years experience. Will that be enough to apply for EOI. My age is 31 and will turn 32 in july.

    Please advise.


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 18 Feb, 19 at 10:05 am

      You can check your total points score using Australia PR calculator. Calculator automatically suggests if the points are enough or not.


      • Rajani
        Rajani 18 Feb, 19 at 1:31 pm

        Hi Anil,

        I am very much confused about my work experience and my education.
        I have completed my Bachelor of Pharmacy in 2011 and after that I have taken training in 2012 Jan to 2012 June, and after that I have joined in top IT company as system admin and my current Designation is IT Analyst till date I am working overall 6.6years experince. How ACS will calculate my points till now and I am planning to pursue Master of information Technology and systems in Aus is there any use after Aus completion of Masters in Australia. Please help me.


        • Anil Gupta
          Anil Gupta 18 Feb, 19 at 7:34 pm

          Your education has to match your work experience and your selected ANZSCO code.
          Which job code are you thinking of applying to?


  19. harsh arora
    harsh arora 18 Feb, 19 at 5:14 am

    Hello Anil,

    few days back i got my ACS report for Software Engineer (261313) and according to that they have considered my experience after April 2014.

    I have total experience of 9 years and 10 months as of now.

    Out of this , the initial April 2019- march 2010 they considered as unsuitable and post that they deducted 4 more years and provided me April 2014 after date.

    My degree is Electronics and communication engg and they considered it as AQF bachelor degree in Major in Computing.

    So as of now I am getting only five points, as experience is considered as less than 5 years.

    My question is ,will it be considered as more than 5 years if i keep the EOI in may 2019 or it will remain as 4 years 10 months only.

    And if not then should i go ahead with reassessment or what you suggest?

    Thanks & regards,
    Harsh


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 18 Feb, 19 at 9:52 am

      You should submit the EOI now and keep the current employment’s END date blank.
      EOI will automatically add points to your profile once your relevant experience is more than 5 years.

      Do not wait to file EOI till May 2019. File now and your points will automatically increase in May 2019.


      • harsh arora
        harsh arora 18 Feb, 19 at 11:22 am

        Thank you so much Anil for your suggestion, will submit the EOI now itself.

        Regards,
        Harsh


  20. krishnahas
    krishnahas 17 Feb, 19 at 8:26 am

    Hi Anil,

    I have been working as a software Engineer for a company from July 7th 2008 to present.

    My ACS skill assessment has been received by Australian computer society on 26th February 2018

    Below is the skill assessment from ACS

    The following employment after July 2012 is considered to equate to work at an appropriately skilled level and relevant to 261313 (Software Engineer) of the ANZSCO Code.

    As per your comments, I understand My experience Start date is 26th July 2010.

    But can I use July 7th 2012 as the EOI start date instead. Because if you calculate by deducting 4 years, should it be July 7th 2012.

    I understand, it is only a matter of few days, but it gives me an added advantage for claiming my offshore 5 points.

    Will Case officer, reject my EOI. I can see from few forums that, ACS has replied back stating you can use experience Start date as EOI start date. I cannot verify the authenticity of it. I have infact contacted ACS to confirm this.

    Could you please provide your thought on using July 7th 2012 instead of July 26th 2012 as my experience start date.


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 17 Feb, 19 at 12:18 pm

      As per my opinion, you can use 26 July 2012 as the start date with the limited information you have shared.
      I cannot really guess anything else unless you can share the full ACS letter screen shot where they have shown the relevant work experience.

      Case officer will come into picture only after you get and invite and would have paid the full Australia PR Fees. It is NOT worth taking the risk and take a chance with denial later.
      Case officer will count the ACS report as SUPREME.


  21. Raspreet Kaur
    Raspreet Kaur 17 Feb, 19 at 10:19 am

    Hi Anil,

    I have a friend with masters in Computers Applications from Panjab University completed in 2012. And has experience as a software engineer (261313) since then, around 6.5 years in total. I have 2 questions:

    1) How many approx. years will ACS deduct?

    2) What is the waiting time to get ITA for 70 points in 189 visa?

    Thanks in advance


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 17 Feb, 19 at 12:26 pm

      Why can’t your friend ask the question? Looks like he needs a helping hand always.

      Anyways, ACS will deduct 2 years from 6.5 years.
      Waiting time to get Australia PR invitation for software engineer (261313) with 70 points is 7+ months at this time.


      • Raspreet Kaur
        Raspreet Kaur 17 Feb, 19 at 12:26 pm

        I was asking him to put the queey here but for some reasons he told me to do so. Any ways thanks alot for your reply. The point of confusion was that he was told by his agent that ACS can deduct 3 years also sometimes for closely related occupation also. Is that true?


        • Anil Gupta
          Anil Gupta 17 Feb, 19 at 4:08 pm

          Its not 3, it is 4 years.
          I have explained in the article how and when ACS will deduct 2 or 4 years based on the total years work experience.


  22. Pallavi Gulati
    Pallavi Gulati 12 Feb, 19 at 12:27 pm

    hi Anil,
    Can you please help me calculate my relevant work experience asserted by ACS.

    Btech – Electrical and electronics engineering(EEE)
    Pass out – june 2012

    Apply for : 261313 (Software Engineer)
    Work Ex
    Feb 2013 – till date (Software engineer)working it firm
    what all docs I have to submit for ACS as I have EEE degree and work in it firm
    How much of my overall experience will be considered as RELEVANT exp?
    And how many points can I get for this work experience?
    And what could be my AFTER month?

    I am planning to submit my document for assessment by end of this month.

    Kindly help.


    • Kris Shaw
      Kris Shaw 12 Feb, 19 at 3:49 pm

      Which university did you study from?


      • Pallavi Gulati
        Pallavi Gulati 12 Feb, 19 at 4:03 pm

        MIT, Manipal Academy of Higher Education


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 12 Feb, 19 at 3:49 pm

      Did you study any computer related subjects in your Electrical and electronics engineering?
      The relevant work experience depends on a lot on what you studied.


      • Pallavi Gulati
        Pallavi Gulati 12 Feb, 19 at 4:03 pm

        Hi Anil,
        Yes I studied these Computer subjects out of total 37 subjects in the whole graduation.
        total course credits- 200
        Namely:
        problem solving using computers- credits-3+1=4
        data structures and algorithms- 4
        computer architecture and organisations- 4
        computer networks- 3
        Soft Computing- 3
        digital signal processing- 4
        digital system design- 4+1
        communication system- 4
        analog system design- 5
        Essential of management- 3


        • Anil Gupta
          Anil Gupta 12 Feb, 19 at 4:03 pm

          Ok.. so the rule is that you should have studied at-least 25% of your work related subjects to be counted as ICT Major.
          As per my opinion, your course will be considered ICT minor in which case, they will deduct 5-6 years from your work experience.

          This is just my assumption based on limited info that you have shared. ACS might count your education as Major after looking at your degree and course subjects.


          • Pallavi Gulati
            Pallavi Gulati 12 Feb, 19 at 4:03 pm

            As per ICT course guidelines, there are two headings with subjects listed:
            Description of Closely Related Core ICT Units
            Description of Additional Closely Related ICT Units
            Do we have to calculate all the subjects mentioned in these two headings and then calculate the % or just consider subjects listed in “Description of Closely Related Core ICT Units”?


            • Anil Gupta
              Anil Gupta 12 Feb, 19 at 4:03 pm

              I am not sure how ACS calculates it internally based on subjects. The rough guideline is about 25% should match your job profile.


  23. Kris Shaw
    Kris Shaw 12 Feb, 19 at 12:27 pm

    Hi Anil,

    Can you please help me calculate my relevant work experience asserted by ACS.

    Btech – Electronics and Communication (EC)
    Pass out – May 2009

    Apply for : 261314 (Software Testing)
    Work Ex
    Feb 2010 – May-2010 (Telecom Industry)
    Jun 2010 – Apr 2013 (Software Engineer)
    May 2013 – Till date ( Software Testing)

    How much of my overall experience will be considered as RELEVANT exp?
    And how many points can I get for this work experience?
    And what could be my AFTER month?

    I am planning to submit my document for assessment by end of next week.

    Kindly help.


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 12 Feb, 19 at 3:49 pm

      Did you study any computer related subjects in your Electronics and communication course?
      The relevant work experience depends on a lot on what you studied.


      • Kris Shaw
        Kris Shaw 12 Feb, 19 at 4:03 pm

        below are the three subjects that i think i studied

        Fundamentals of computer Programing and IT
        Object Oriented programming using C++
        Computer networks


        • Anil Gupta
          Anil Gupta 12 Feb, 19 at 4:03 pm

          Ok.. so the rule is that you should have studied at-least 25% of your work related subjects to be counted as ICT Major.
          As per my opinion, your course will be considered ICT minor in which case, they will deduct 5-6 years from your work experience.

          This is just my assumption based on limited info that you have shared. ACS might count your education as Major after looking at your degree and course subjects.


      • Kris Shaw
        Kris Shaw 12 Feb, 19 at 3:49 pm

        Also the B.Tech in Electronics and Communication is from Punjab Technical University


  24. srinivas ch
    srinivas ch 9 Feb, 19 at 10:27 am

    Hi Anil,

    Can you help me calculate my relevant work experience asserted by ACS.

    Apply for : 261312 (Developer Programmer)
    Degree – B.Tech – Computer Science and Engineering (CSE)
    Pass out – May 2010.

    Work Experiences:
    Jan 2011 – Sep 2018 – 7 years 9 months (1 year of UK onsite experience.)
    Oct 2018 – Current (07 Feb 2019) – 4 months
    Overall – 8 years 1 month(Developer / Programmer).

    How much of my overall experience will be considered as RELEVANT exp?
    And how many points can I get for this work experience?
    And what could be my AFTER month?

    Thanks
    Srinivas.


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 9 Feb, 19 at 2:09 pm

      If ACS assesses all your work experience matches with your education, then they will count 6 years 1 month as ‘relevant’.
      This means that you will get points for work experience based on 5-7 years of experience i.e. 10 points.

      Points Calculator available here:
      https://apps.truvisa.com/australia/skillselect/


  25. Akshay
    Akshay 5 Feb, 19 at 2:36 pm

    Hi Anil,

    I have the following degree and work experience:

    B. Tech. in Computer Science Engineering (2011-2015)
    Worked as Project Engineer (September 2015 – June 2017) – 1 year 10 months
    Worked as Industrial Trainee (full time) in semester break of my masters degree (December 2017 – January 2018) – 2 months [Unpaid]
    Master of Business Information System (July 2017 – June 2019)

    I just want to know how many years of work experience do i get from here and how many point can i collect from my work experiences.

    Regards
    Akshay


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 9 Feb, 19 at 10:01 am

      Looks like you only worked for 1 Year 10 months.
      If you claim Masters as your relevant education, then you can claim zero work experience as you will complete masters in June 2019.


  26. Ans
    Ans 28 Jan, 19 at 8:51 pm

    Hi Anil,
    I have experience of 12 years and 6 months as software developer, however my Bachelor of Engineering was completed in Mechanical. How much years in total ACS will deduct from my experience, I read is some different forums that it would be 6 years deduction as it falls as non-ICT and also I need to submit RPL due to my non-ICT major. Can you throw some light on this matter?


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 9 Feb, 19 at 10:01 am

      I think your Bachelor of Engineering degree will be considered a ICT-minor degree as it probably was not related to software engineering profession.
      I can’t really say as I do not know the subjects that you studied.

      based on ICT-minor, yes, your 6 years of work experience will be deducted.
      Also, i think you will need RPL.


  27. vandan
    vandan 28 Jan, 19 at 8:51 pm

    Hi Anil ,

    Can you please help me calculate the total work experience ACS will consider for my case. Details as follows.

    1) 2005 -2008 – Bachelors Degree IT
    2) 2008- 2011- Work experience ( 3 yrs)
    3) 2009-2012- Masters degree computers
    4)2011- 2017 – Work experience (6 yrs)
    5) 2017 – Current – Work experience ( 1 yr 1 month)

    As you can see there is a overlap between my Master degree and work experience but I had completed by bachelors.
    How many years of experience will be considered.
    If its coming less than 8 yrs, is it worth applying now ?. As without that my points will be 65.

    Please advise.


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 9 Feb, 19 at 10:01 am

      Only full time education can be considered, so your Masters won’t be considered for work experience.
      You have to decide which occupation you want to be considered as your relevant one.


      • vandan
        vandan 9 Feb, 19 at 10:11 am

        Hi Anil ,

        Both the degrees are full time . I guess my bachelors in IT will be considered as ICT major . Just wondering should i submit my masters as well or not required?

        If both the degrees are evaluated as ICT major ,will they consider my work experience from the first one or after the masters?.


        • Anil Gupta
          Anil Gupta 9 Feb, 19 at 10:42 am

          How did you work full time and still studied full time during your masters? How will you prove that both are full time?


          • vandan
            vandan 9 Feb, 19 at 10:44 am

            I mostly used to work in night shifts so was able to manage . I have all the documents including relieving letter,work experience letter and full time degree convocation .

            Do u recommend submitting masters or do u think in bachelors in IT should be sufficient?


            • Anil Gupta
              Anil Gupta 10 Feb, 19 at 12:26 pm

              Well, I do not think they will consider this experience as full time.
              I think you can only submit the bachelors and claim the work experience time.

              If you submit both your master and work experience, the chances are high that they may just NOT count the overlapped work experience.


              • vandan
                vandan 11 Feb, 19 at 8:12 am

                Thanks . Ill show only bachelors.

                Any idea if bachelors in information technology(3 yrs) considered as majors or minor?. It has many programming and computing subjects.

                Thanks for your help and time.


                • Anil Gupta
                  Anil Gupta 11 Feb, 19 at 1:50 pm

                  Should be considered major but final decision is with ACS when they look at the subjects you studied.


  28. parthib
    parthib 28 Jan, 19 at 8:51 pm

    Hi Anil,

    I have completed my Bachelors in Information Management [AQF Bachelors degree Major in Computing]. I have been working as Web Developer [261212]

    Now
    I have following Experiences,

    1. 22nd January 2007 to Feb 12th February 2011 [48 Months / 4 Years]
    2. 15th June 2011 to 31st Oct 2018 [40 Month/ 3 years 4 Month]
    3. 16th Nov 2014 to Till Date [50 Months]

    I just want to know how many years of work experience do i get from here and how many point can i collect from my work experiences.

    Regards
    parthib


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 9 Feb, 19 at 10:01 am

      You will get 8+ years of relevant experience if your education is assessed as relevant and ICT major.
      ACS will deduct 4 years from your total experience as it is more than 12 years.


      • parthib
        parthib 9 Feb, 19 at 10:11 am

        Dear Anil

        Thank you so much for your quick response.
        I am still confused with the information and could not relate this

        My total relevant work years would be only 11yrs 6 months

        If I deduct 4 years i willget 7 yrs and 6 mths ( correct me if i am wrong)

        How did you get 8+ yrs (i was too delighted, when you replied with 8+ yrs ) but my core heart is still getting is it or is it not

        Please help me without any hesitation. I will be more than grateful to your Kindness

        Regards
        Parthib


        • Anil Gupta
          Anil Gupta 9 Feb, 19 at 10:11 am

          Ohhh.. my bad. I added the wrong year. Sorry for the mistake.
          If your total is 11.6 years, then they will
          1. Either deduct 2 years from your last 10 years experience and ignore the other experience OR
          2. Deduct 4 years from total i.e. 11.6 to reach a date.

          Whatever date gives you more relevant experience will be chosen by ACS.
          Example if you apply ACS on 1 Feb 2019:
          Rule 1: Last 10 year date: 1 Feb 2009. Deduct 2 years, you reach 1 Feb 2011.
          Rule 2: Work start date: 22 Jan 2007. Deduct 4 years, you reach 22 Jan 2011.

          More favorable date for you: 22 Jan 2011.
          ACS will give you 22 Jan 2011.

          Remember, this is rough example and it depends on how many months does ACS really mark as relevant for you case.
          They also deduct the GAP time (the time between job changes, if any).

          Does that answer your query?


          • parthib
            parthib 9 Feb, 19 at 10:42 am

            Thank you so much again for you generosity, I really appreciate your help.

            Just a quick one before I leave you in peace

            If you see my experience
            1. As web developer (4 yrs)
            2. Data analyst (3yrs 4 mths)
            3. As sr web developer (4 hrs 2 mths)

            As i am applying for web developer 261212 can I claim all my experiences 7.5 yrs (after 4 yrs deductions from ACS) despite being working as analyst

            As i am studying loads of blogs and all are making me more confused

            Therefore want your thoughts over it and get satisfied. Also your response are too quick and information which i am desperately looking for


            • Anil Gupta
              Anil Gupta 10 Feb, 19 at 12:26 pm

              You should understand that each work experience is separately evaluated for the job code and the work experience letter you submit.
              If the work experience matches at-least 65% with job code, it is counted as ”relevant’.

              If it is NOT found to be relevant, all of it’s months are simply deducted.

              Does that answer your question?


  29. Chris Ke
    Chris Ke 15 Dec, 18 at 5:29 pm

    Hi,

    I have a question about how to calculate my working experience. Does ACS count month or weeks?
    For example if my working start date is the 7th February 2010 – 19th October 2010, how many month do they count for this?
    I am a bit worried about to reach the 3 years for the 190.

    Could you please have a look and tell me how many month I should get granted?
    25.01.2013 – 31.10.2013
    28.03.2014 – 30.09.2014
    09.04.2015 – 18.09.2015
    01.04.2016 – 31.03.2017
    22.10.2018 – 16.12.2018

    Thank you for your help!


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 15 Dec, 18 at 5:54 pm

      I am not exactly sure how do they count but they do consider each working week that you complete.
      Even after the ACS report, you can count your working time to claim points. So, no need to worry.


  30. Daniel
    Daniel 14 Dec, 18 at 10:58 am

    Hi,

    I have a question. I have cleared my EA assessment but it was only CDR assessment and not work experience. I am in doubt that whether I can claim 5 years of experience or not. Though I have updated my EOI and the automatic points calculator shows that I can claim 10 points for work, but I am still in doubt as I have exactly years to claim. Here is my experience calculation:

    Job 1: 27 August 2012 to 31st October 2015: 3 Years and 2 months
    Job 2: 30 March 2016 to 24 April 2018: 2 Years and 25 days
    ——————————————————————————————-
    Total: 5 Years, 2 Months and 25 days

    I have not claimed any work experience points after that because I don’t have enough documentation to back my claims. Do you think that I will be able to secure 10 points based on the total experience that I have shown above. Please assist


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 14 Dec, 18 at 11:49 am

      If the online EOI system is giving you points with the dates that your Assessment agency has found to be relevant, you are good to claim to those points.


      • Daniel
        Daniel 15 Dec, 18 at 9:37 am

        Hi Anil,

        Thanks for your response. But I haven’t got my work experience assessed by EA. I only got my CDRs/education assessed. My EA outcome only says that:

        “Highest Relevant Qualification
        Your qualification obtained from the below institution has been assessed as comparable to the listed
        Australian Qualification Framework (AQF) level for the purposes of awarding points under the General
        Skilled Migration points test:”

        In this scenario, still I am able to claim those 10 points or will there be any issues later on, as I’ve over 3 months of experience other than my main 5 professional years?


        • Anil Gupta
          Anil Gupta 15 Dec, 18 at 10:20 am

          Any reason why you did not get your work experience assessed?


          • Daniel
            Daniel 15 Dec, 18 at 10:25 am

            Because one of my friends guided me that DIBP will assess it on their own provided all documentation is complete to support the claim of points. He also got 189 skilled visa and he didn’t get his experience assessed by EA and got it directly from DIBP. But my concern is that I have exactly 5 years of experience (3 months above only), so I am a little worried about any CO contact at the later stage.


            • Anil Gupta
              Anil Gupta 15 Dec, 18 at 10:29 am

              I am not aware of any such process where directly DIBP will assess your work experience.

              It is better to get work experience assessed by assessment agency to be in a better position to claim points.

              If DIBP finds your work experience to be not good for the points you claim, you will lose time as well as your visa fees!!

              Not sure if you want to take that risk.


  31. Nikhil Doval
    Nikhil Doval 18 Nov, 18 at 7:07 pm

    Hi,

    I am really confused while filling out my EOI form (for Subclass 189)…

    I have a total of 11+ Years Experience with the Same Company and recently received the ACS results.

    Following is the key info as listed in my ACS Result letter:

    The following employment after October 2010 is considered to equate to work at an appropriately
    skilled level and relevant to 261312 (Developer Programmer) of the ANZSCO Code.

    Start Date End Date Job Title Country
    26-Jan-14 18-Nov-18 Lead Developer United States of America
    05-Oct-11 25-Jan-14 Lead Developer India
    11-Apr-10 04-Oct-11 Lead Developer Australia
    18-Aug-09 10-Apr-10 Developer India
    21-Jun-09 17-Aug-09 Developer Australia
    02-Jan-07 20-Jun-09 Developer India

    NOTE* My ACS application was received by the Australian Computer Society on 16 October 2018

    Now, while filling the EOI form, If I chose the start date as 16 October 2010 (that is in between my Australian Work Experience), am falling short by 12 days 🙁 to get credit for my Australian Work Experience.. And Overall score is coming as 70 (which is OK but NOT a great score in today’s scenario)…

    And, If I chose the start date as 01 October 2010, my overall score is coming as 75 (which is a good score)

    Based on the above information, i have a couple of queries:

    Q1. What date shall I chose for start date: 01 Oct 2010 / 16 Oct 2010 / 01 Nov 2010 ?

    Q2. I can get my spouse’s ACS evaluation completed (will take another month or so) to get 5 more points.. So is that a better option ? That way i can safely pick start date as 16 Oct 2010 / 01 Nov 2010 & get additional 5 points (via spouse’s ACS assessment) to reach to a score of 75

    Please help me in clarifying my doubts.


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 18 Nov, 18 at 9:51 pm

      1. You can pick start date as 17 Oct 2010 and not 16 Oct.
      But, if you keep your current job’s end date blank in EOI, it will automatically update points once your total ‘relevant’ experience reaches 8+ years.

      2. If your spouse is eligible, then I suggest to get her points. This is very important today due to high points criteria for invitations.


      • Nikhil Doval
        Nikhil Doval 18 Nov, 18 at 10:48 pm

        Thanks for your inputs Anil 🙂

        Will start the ACS process for my spouse soon !!


        • Anil Gupta
          Anil Gupta 19 Nov, 18 at 5:47 am

          You are welcome. All the best for Australia PR.


  32. Sukrut Parab
    Sukrut Parab 12 Sep, 18 at 12:46 pm

    Hi Anil ,
    Thank you for the great information you are sharing . I have question regarding work experience, I started my carrier with company ABC in 2007 in India, came to US in 2011 through same company. Now that company got acquired by another company XYZ in 2015 . Now do i need letter from both companies ? As company ABC does not exist, the experience letter from company XYZ is sufficient ?


    • Anil Gupta
      Anil Gupta 12 Sep, 18 at 2:10 pm

      Yes, experience letter from XYZ is sufficient if they can clearly mention that the tenure you worked with ABC is from start to end date.


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